Topic: Billy Meiers

[Nboy]

Lurking here over the past few months, i have come to respect you folks as mostly rational individuals. So from one rational individual to another, is there anything, ANYTHING at all about Billy Meiers and his prophecies that you can accept? I only ask this because I checked to see what guests were upcoming and there is nothing at all to really pique my interest this week. But, Monday night Micheal Horn will be on pimping his 'research' on Billy Meiers, trying his damnedest to convert us all into new age ufo hippy types. Among Meiers claims is that he met with the Pleadian Alien who was THE historical Jesus, and this alien confessed that Meiers was more evolved intellectually and spiritually than Christ himself. I am not a bible thumper at all, but that one statement offended the hell out of me. I would be equally offended if he claimed to be more evolved than Socrates or Buddha. Seems to me the guy built himself a nice little niche cult all based on his contacts with aliens. I would join the church of the subgenius long before I could stomach Billy Meier's clearly faked UFO photos (which number in the 1000's supposedly) and awful his reinterpretation of Hinduism. Here is a link to the crazy Horn is peddling http://www.theyfly.com/ Scroll down to the bottom to see the AMAZING WONDERFUL EVIDENCE that  PROVE UNEQUSTIONABLY that aliens are among us.

Secondly, If its this easy to build a religious following based on supposed contact with aliens, how long do you think it will be before Hoagland starts the Church Of The Face?

[Gojira2006]

I would join the church of the subgenius long before I could stomach Billy Meier's clearly faked UFO photos (which number in the 1000's supposedly)  . . .

  In the age of 3D art programs like Bryce & Poser & Vue, which can create nifty-looking scenes with aliens & flying saucers from scratch, & applications like Photoshop & PaintShop that can manipulate existing images to insert UFOs into a photo, it totally amazes me that people still are wondering if Meiers' pics are the real-deal . . .     Even digital images made in Poser or Photoshop are still obviously just that - "made."    But Meiers' pictures, faked decades ago with pie pans & hub caps, are even more obvious, & should lay that idiotic chapter in UFOlogy to a well-deserved rest.  But, of course, it doesn't - it gives George Noory one more opportunity to ask his suck-up questions to Michael Horn . . . 

[Centurion73]

Lurking here over the past few months, i have come to respect you folks as mostly rational individuals. So from one rational individual to another...

You suppose too much sir, too much 

how long do you think it will be before Hoagland starts the Church Of The Face?

About 2 minutes after he reads your post he will just add that to the several 501 (c) 3's he has going to not pay taxes on all that cash he scams, um earns, sorry.

[Michael Vandeven]

Lurking here over the past few months, i have come to respect you folks as mostly rational individuals. So from one rational individual to another, is there anything, ANYTHING at all about Billy Meiers and his prophecies that you can accept?

no.  i could always tell art had on michael horn as some sort of attempt to show everybody what an automobile accident with fatalities looks like.  remember that one time art had horn on the show, and at the very end of the broadcast, horn plugged a music cd he was hawking?  HAHA!!!  art was absolutely embarrassed for horn.

this alien confessed that Meiers was more evolved intellectually and spiritually than Christ himself. I am not a bible thumper at all, but that one statement offended the hell out of me.

not only am i not a bible thumper, but i'm not even a christian and that statement angers me.

Scroll down to the bottom to see the AMAZING WONDERFUL EVIDENCE that  PROVE UNEQUSTIONABLY that aliens are among us.

and just think... the photos posted on that site are posted there because they were found by horn to be the ABSOLUTE BEST PHOTOS out of the lot.  if that's the case, just imagine the photos he must have left out.

In the age of 3D art programs like Bryce & Poser & Vue, which can create nifty-looking scenes with aliens & flying saucers from scratch, & applications like Photoshop & PaintShop that can manipulate existing images to insert UFOs into a photo, it totally amazes me that people still are wondering if Meiers' pics are the real-deal . . .     Even digital images made in Poser or Photoshop are still obviously just that - "made."    But Meiers' pictures, faked decades ago with pie pans & hub caps, are even more obvious, & should lay that idiotic chapter in UFOlogy to a well-deserved rest.

fucking amen.  god almighty.  i can't believe ANYONE buys this shit.  horn obviously can't really believe this shit.  he's peddling books and various other wares as a means of paying his electric bill.  as such, i'm sure he's so heavily invested in peddling this bit of misinformation that there's nothing anybody could say to him... nothing anybody could SHOW to horn, to compel him to admit it's all bullshit.  it's why horn could never be a credible source WHATSOEVER on the subject of meier.  he is too invested in the perpetuation of this story.

[Gojira2006]

You suppose too much sir, too much 

About 2 minutes after he reads your post he will just add that to the several 501 (c) 3's he has going to not pay taxes on all that cash he scams, um earns, sorry.

  Hoagland will then appear on C2C with a special guest - The Face - & will then proceed to yak so much that The Face won't be able to get a word in edge-wise . . . ! 

[GuerrillaUnReal]

Hey guys,

What is with this trend over the years? Of course we all know of renowned hoax artist Billy Meier and his laughably bad pictures of "aliens" and "ufos" that have been roundly debunked many times over on the internet. However, on C2C over the years, there has been a myraid of guests representing Meier or have some involvement with Meier. There's been at least four I can think of off the top of my head.

George Green
Michael Horn
Edward Martin
Paola Harris

On the C2C website, a search for "Meier" turns up 59 show entries.

Now so far all of these people have been vastly interesting cranks. George Green in particular is my favorite as a raving loon. However what I wonder is where do these people come from? Even Charlie Manson didn't have this many reps. I wonder if Meier is offering franchises for his ridiculous stories or if these people are just trying to make a buck off the story or what. I'm so fascinated though to know what the real deal is with the string of those involved with Billy Meier.

[EvB]

Gotta wonder.  Is Meyer even INVOLVED or has his name become a brand that may be invoked by anyone?

[astroguy]

Michael Horn, the "Authorized American Media Representative" of Billy Meier, is slated for tomorrow, December 11, 2011.  The host, Wells, explains how Horn got on considering that Horn was banned from Coast a few months ago and he was happy about it.

Horn has a habit of making a lot of noise.  A LOT of noise.  And refusing to actually answer a question when cornered, but instead turning around and claiming victory anyway.  For some reason I don't quite understand - probably because I haven't outright ignored him - Horn has become what I can only think of at this point at least minorly obsessed with me.  As evidence to that, I point to my blog (linked in signature) which he subscribes to and will post in the comments section on anything he can even slightly latch Meier material onto.  I can refer you even to my latest post, second comment, for that.

It's partially because of his comments there that I'm posting here, for I think there's a non-trivial possibility that Horn will actually discuss me on this show, and I have no doubt he will skew the facts of the matter and come very close to slander.  He's already been libelous with making a hate page about me on his site (something I consider a bit of a skeptical badge of honor).

To iterate my position for the first time here and for the re-upteenth time elsewhere, I have investigated a VERY specific claim Michael Horn made about Billy Meier's predictions, and this was in reference to the asteroid Apophis.  In my first post, Michael put forth evidence he claimed shows Meier's power of phorphecy or fore-knoweldge of that asteroid.  I then made a second post on the subject where I combed through the Meier material on the prediction and showed that it was pure retrodiction -- the claimed evidence was not there to support Michael's claim.  Then I made yet a third post that addressed that specific claim as well as a the scientific process a bit more broadly, specifically what falsification means in science.  There was no prejudice, I took a magnifying glass to that specific claim and looked for evidence that was not there.

Since then, I have pretty much refused to engage Horn until he presents further evidence that my analysis was flawed, or he presents further evidence that I did not know of before that does show that Apophis was not a retrodiction.  He has failed to do so.  This is despite his claims to the contrary.  As far as I can tell, his only "answer" was contained in his blog post, "The Answer".  If you read it, you will see he does not do what I asked.  He squirms around the issue and claims that the Plejaran aliens could not have given Meier the specific material, or Meier could not have said it until after the fact, due to plausible deniability issues.  Even if that were the case, it does not provide further evidence that Meier predicted Apophis.

Anyway, I look "forward" perhaps with a bit of dread to tomorrow's interview.  We'll see what happens.  His latest shtick is the prophetic Jupiter and Io information of Meier, which I will likely address in a future blog series at some point, but I'm too busy with other stuff and I have other interests at the moment.  I wouldn't be surprised if he talks about his claims that "the skeptic" who debunked the Jupiter and Io information actually proved Meier right in a later analysis by Horn.

I'll likely do a post about Horn's appearance on C2C tomorrow IF there's anything new he brings up, or specific that he talks about that I can quickly sink my teeth into.  If he talks about me, I will likely NOT do a post because I'm satisfied with the record as laid out in my blog.

Horn is a paranoid media-hungry person who has no qualms with stretching, bending, or just shooting right past the truth to further his own gains.  This is even to the point of first being happy to respond to and help a German girl named "Jennifer" in the comments section of this blog post (just search for "Jennifer") to, after he realized she wasn't buying his excuses, starting to rant against her and thinking she's some sort of intelligence agency operative in his blog.

As I said, we'll see what happens tomorrow night.

[astroguy]

Wow.  Gotta love Michael's "press releases" that I spam a few times a week.  Here's one he just sent out.  Links and formatting have been removed.  My point in posting this is to show you what kind of stuff he puts out and how he promotes himself.  You'd think that someone who's an "authorized media representative" would do better with his decorum.

Please get to know each other if you already don't. Especially get to know Derek Bartholomaus, the poster boy for shameless dishonesty and lack of integrity. He gets some more good press here:
            BREAKING: IIG Skeptics Retract ANOTHER Claim against Meier Case!

Say hi to the folks at Point of Inquiry, who are also too scared to actually inquire about the Billy Meier case...let alone credibly challenge it. It could be something they caught from Bartholomaus and IIG...like a contagious case of common cowardice.

Meet Stuart Robbins, the pseudo-scientist stuck in deep denial; here's a free plug for him.

Then there's the James Randi organization with its love of flailing away it easy targets - like Robbins and the folks at IIG, etc. do as they masquerade as "scientists".

Stephen Novella has already been dismissed for being a bumbler who, instead of researching things himself, relies on long dismissed, inaccurate, second hand information. And Michael Shermer, well, someday he may shed the last vestiges of his religious beliefs when he disconnects from the Church of Skeptology and dares to delve into the Meier material. Of course that will produce a rather unique epiphany in itself...should he ever muster the courage.

Across, or perhaps stuck in, the pond we have Phil Langdon, the fishing line specialist, who's gleefully fallen in with the long proven liar and defamer, Kal Korff, who himself was outed by the "non-existent" Plejaren before he could spring a rather diabolical trap on Meier and me. And they're pals with our friend in France, Starglider, who's also convinced that Meier used every trick in the book...just to try to fool him, of course.

Of course there's Alejandro Rojas at, er..."Open Minds", an organization that had no less than three consecutive attempts at debunking the Meier case (including in their interview with me). Imagine that, an organization that spends $50,000 to get the entire collection of work by Wendelle Stevens' - the lead investigator in the Billy Meier case - that then tries to do a hatchet job on the best evidence in existence. Kinda makes one wonder just what their real agenda is. But Alejandro seems to have developed a sudden case of laryngitis when pressed on the subject.

The list wouldn't be complete without a mention of Gazrock and the folks over at ATS, who have promoted the most vicious, unsubstantiated attacks against the Meier case, in fulfilling their own  disinformation campaign...also apparently backed by some deep pockets with a dark agenda. You gotta love a group that makes sure that no positive information and responses regarding the Meier case go unpunished, if even allowed. For some reason they took a dim view of my accidental outing of an attorney from a high-powered law firm who was masquerading there - while doing somepone's dirty work attacking the Meier case.

And let's not leave out some folks on the other side of the aisle. One who pretends to be "searching for extraterrestrial intelligence, etc.", is our old friend Seth Shostak, ta-dum!, for whom such a fruitful search, i.e. "discovering" the still ongoing Meier contacts, would spell the end of his particular form of (privately funded, thank you) corporate welfare.

I'll also give a nod also to Bernie Haisch, a scientist who also seems to be suffering from the same Church-like aversion to "looking through the telescope" at the Meier material; could he feel that his reputation would suffer by admitting the obvious in his little interviews on the UFO subject, etc.?

It's possible that I left a number of people out who may be grateful that I did. Nonetheless, please feel free to contemplate the kind of company you keep.

And you can hear me tonight on C2C...call in and complain if you wish.

[Morgus]

looking forward to hearing your call in the last hour of c2c tonight to confront Horn directly.
maybe he will recognize you? 

[astroguy]

looking forward to hearing your call in the last hour of c2c tonight to confront Horn directly.
maybe he will recognize you? 

I'll be in bed and asleep, hopefully .  I actually have not listened live for about 3 years.

Hmm.  Looks like my stand-alone thread was merged with one that spells Meier's name wrong.  And Meier has never actually been a guest.