Topic: "Christian von Lahr, Msc.D." and Michael Jackson

[Michael Vandeven]

This sounds like a bunch of inside baseball to me.

you've nailed it.

[Pirate King Atomsk]

This sounds like a bunch of inside baseball to me.

Yup. All I see is a bunch of babbity blabbity finger-pointin' whodunnit Nancy Drew shit. 

[EvB]

Yup. All I see is a bunch of babbity blabbity finger-pointin' whodunnit Nancy Drew shit. 

Pirate!  I didn't know you were a Nancy Drew fan.  Learn something new every day.  ;

[Pirate King Atomsk]

Pirate!  I didn't know you were a Nancy Drew fan.  Learn something new every day.  ;

Oh yeah, it's nestled on my bookshelf between Goosebumps and The Hardy Boys.

[CoastGhost]

Apparently no matter what I'm saying on this forum is making anyone very happy, and I'm not very happy either, so respectfully to everyone.. Good bye!! and thanks to the ones who were so nice to me.

[Michael Vandeven]

Michael,

Did you notice that the original rant was about a story I wrote on the 11th of July?

the only "rant" i noticed was your initial post which has yet to make any real sense to me.

...and (you) never read my story in the examiner.com...

nor would i, based on what i've seen here.  your posts here have been cryptic, unorganized, and assuming.  keep in mind, i don't mean that as any sort of an endorsement of von lahr's contentions.  he's been responsible for a glazed eye or two, himself.

ANyways I've tried to remove my posts, and have asked twice now and since you won't remove or ammend them, I assert that they are now no longer my opinion and they're yours. So if you don't like what I have to say, then why don't you just remove it?

users have 24 hours to remove their posts.  when and to whom did you request the removal of your posts?  i certainly recall receiving no such missive from you, nor have i seen anything thus far in this thread requesting such.  have i missed something?  i'm asking with all seriousness because i might have... but it certainly wasn't in my PM box or my email.



it's not that i don't like what you have to say in general.  let's not get carried away with ourselves, here.  my problem was that you chose to speak for everybody here with regard to our perception of von lahr's purported honesty or dishonesty.  it was as though you were on a mission of some sort.  the people around here are rather intelligent and can form their own conclusions without somebody speaking for them.  that's my only problem.  there are three groups of people monitoring this thread:

1) those who agree with you
2) those who agree with van lahr
3) those who just want to get back to their internet porno

i'm going to punch the hole for group 3, myself.

[EvB]

1) those who agree with you
2) those who agree with van lahr
3) those who just want to get back to their internet porno

You forgot #4 - those who could care less who is right or wrong - and think it all looks like two children squabbling on a playground.

[valdez]

You forgot #4 - those who could care less who is right or wrong - and think it all looks like two children squabbling on a playground.

     You also forgot #5...Namibia!

[KnyeGuy]

nor would i, based on what I've seen here.  your posts here have been cryptic, unorganized, and assuming.  keep in mind, i don't mean that as any sort of an endorsement of Von lahr's contentions.  he's been responsible for a glazed eye or two, himself.

'Cryptic' definitely sums it up...lol
 Honestly, if CoastGhost had come onto this thread and simply posted her info and/or experiences regarding Von Lahr, I'm sure that most of us would've been interested...
However, like I mentioned before, her weird insistence of "who's the moderator here" etc (on a first posting nonetheless) only serves to define her attendance here as some random self-serving attack on Von Lahr.

I'm not by any means endorsing Von Lahr in any way, shape or 'faerie' form either btw... 

I probably would've been interested in checking out your article CoastGhost, but your credibility is out the window based on the way you initiated all of this... (Which is why it makes perfect sense that Michael hasn't bothered reading it either).

Just saying...

[Pirate King Atomsk]

Well maybe if she explained exactly what she's on about without all this ridiculous banter I might be able to understand wtf is going on. I don't care enough to read dumbassery, just post the goddamned essentials and be done with it.

[EvB]

Well maybe if she explained exactly what she's on about without all this ridiculous banter I might be able to understand wtf is going on.

I agree - that is the main point where CoastGhost's posts are concerned. ~ DESU!

[Supernormal]

Well maybe if she explained exactly what she's on about without all this ridiculous banter I might be able to understand wtf is going on. I don't care enough to read dumbassery, just post the goddamned essentials and be done with it.

It could be that Coast Ghost assumed that we're all psychics. If that's the case, I doubt that even Kreskin could have made sense of her posts. I don't know her or Christian, but the latter has been nothing but nice and polite in his replies to me. That said, like the recent Gates' "teaching moment" (hee) demonstrated, it's best to not comment on things when you don't know all of the facts.

[Smoky]

It?s like when a total stranger begins a conversation with you and makes countless references to people by their first names. Somehow you are supposed to piece the story together having never met any of the people referenced in the story. In other words there are huge gaps of information missing, so no attempt at communication was really made. Only random words?.white noise. Also, squabbling requires participation of more than one person as a rule of thumb.

[Michael Vandeven]

...the recent Gates' "teaching moment" (hee) demonstrated...

hmm... i THINK i know what you're referring to here... and i'm chuckling.

[Michael Vandeven]

It?s like when a total stranger begins a conversation with you and makes countless references to people by their first names.

CHRIST ON A POPSICLE STICK i hate it when people do this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

god.

[Michael Vandeven]

I don't know her or Christian, but the latter has been nothing but nice and polite in his replies to me.

this deserves more attention.  while i can find little commonality with christian, i somehow find myself liking him in a newly purchased chia head sort of way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0orMeOKXo

[EvB]

newly purchased chia head

Those things NEVER worked for me!  And, if the cat doesn't eat 'em - I'm pretty good with plants.  These beasts, howevever, seemed to go right from smear-the-chia-goop phase to the neglect phase for me.

[Supernormal]

hmm... i THINK i know what you're referring to here... and i'm chuckling.

You are correct, sir. Word has it that Obama invited our quarreling friends here to drink some Budweisers at the White House.

[Pirate King Atomsk]

You are correct, sir. Word has it that Obama invited our quarreling friends here to drink some Budweisers at the White House.

As long as they aren't serving Jager....that kills diplomacy quick.

[EvB]

As long as they aren't serving Jager....that kills diplomacy quick.

When it comes to social graces - the Obamas are major diplomacy killers.  Unless they've been carefully tutored (and I can't imagine why they NEED it given their professional and educational backgrounds - but . . .) AND got their staff on thie stick - no doubt whatever is most inappropriate is what they will serve.

[Supernormal]

As long as they aren't serving Jager....that kills diplomacy quick.

After what Ev mentioned, it wouldn't surprise me if her served malt liquor to the prof' and Irish whiskey to the cop. He's the same guy who gave DVDs as gifts to Prime Minister Brown.

[Dr.ChristianvonLahr]

Absolutely EvB, my most sincere apologies for my literary inadequacy. 

If there is ever a word that does not serve at your pleasure, most certainly delete or replace it.  I cannot even imagine what it was.  With apologies I will repost with something very GP in the alternative.  It is anomalous though, the extreme profanity on this site, absolute vulgarity to be sure, the slander and the social innuendos ─ that would be offensive to quite literally, anyone ─ yet something non-profane and subjective would be clipped; I gather we must be getting down to connotations.  It can be difficult to ascertain or predetermine the subjectivity of any viewer, though ─ I am with you ─ so use your better judgment, always with my pre-approval.  I understand you want to keep a certain quality here, and I support that. 

Yes, you may call me Christian.  V. Vendetta has a predisposition to insult, and may not.  Nonetheless, he will be dismissed and dispatched permanently as soon as I attend to the post edit.

No, I am not angry as you seem to surmise, but too many mosquitoes can hamper to any gathering.

[Dr.ChristianvonLahr]

V. Vendetta

Christian, certainly you've read my post requesting 3 simple answers; for anyone with so many connections to the greatest of spirits, this should be a menial task. I'm still awaiting your answers. How about channeling your energy into the answers to my questions, instead of wasting your time attacking another member - as mentioned previous, we don't need your benevolence in this area. So let's stay on topic, and show me examples of your incredible mediumship by answering my three questions.


I'm waiting...

I also read the rest of your personally directed successive streams of profanity.  Vulgar insult and social maleficent innuendo is not the way people are typically addressed when one is engaging another to provide some complimentary service or courtesy.  Some modicum of respect is usually commensurate when one implores the specialized help of another.  You apparently are one who is accustomed to being pushy and verbally insulting as the only means to get what you want.  One must conclude you seldom get what you want.  This instance will be no different.  I will NOT be entertaining ANY direction from you!

You, V. VENDETTA are not proffering a challenge; you are divulging your central issue:   ?You CAN?T do this!?   ? AND YOU NEVER WILL!  Imposing demands on others will NEVER compensate you for your own inadequacies.  ?You CAN?T do this!?  [Therefore, nobody can.]  Apply that across your life, ?GOD is waiting too.?

? and that?s Mr. von L?hr to you.

[EvB]

Since Dr. Christian von Lahr has restated his previous post to V and taken my request to avoid certain phrases,  I have deleted the post I modified.

THIS POST is essentially the same message - worded differently.

[EvB]

With apologies I will repost with something very GP in the alternative.  It is anomalous though, the extreme profanity on this site, absolute vulgarity to be sure, the slander and the social innuendos ─ that would be offensive to quite literally, anyone ─ yet something non-profane and subjective would be clipped; I gather we must be getting down to connotations.

Yep -- true enough -- polite we ain't.  And, just as you say - what little decorum we do try to maintain is a case-by-case judgment call. I promise you though, despite what one or two have suggested in the past, it isn't an easy or fun call to make.

[Smoky]

No, I am not angry as you seem to surmise, but too many mosquitoes can hamper to any gathering.

true.

[V for Vendetta]

Nonetheless, he will be dismissed and dispatched permanently as soon as I attend to the post edit.

Hmmm... to some legal authorities, this might be interpreted to mean physical harm, especially the colloquialism dispatched permanently, which in the common vernacular means death.

For any intruder, intent on causing me physical harm in which I feel my life is in danger, my favorite deterrent can be seen HERE I chose the .45 caliber.

So now, to the real point of this post. Coming to a thread near you - well, in fact, this one, will be a number of facts and screenshots culled from various sources, in exposing Chrissy for who he really is. A fraud.

I feel that, to be fair to the readers of this thread,  my post should be well-organized, with reasoned real-world examples of pertinent weblinks, photos and screenshots, so it will take me a bit to format the information in a logical, coherent, and entertaining format. My guess is I may have the post ready for tomorrow night.

Just for fun, much like the old TV program "What's My Line?", will the real von Liar please stand up?



         

The last photo has clearly been heavily "Photoshopped" (literally - they used Photoshop CS3) to make von Liar appear thinner - compare the neck folds directly below the earlobe and double chin retouching with the last two photos especially... with picture #3 being untouched, and #4 heavily retouched. When I do post my "comprehensive" missives, we'll examine the retouched photo at the pixel level to see what someone has done (if he paid someone to do this, he really got ripped off, as this is one the worst retouching jobs. I used to do better jobs using Microsoft Paint on Windows 3.1 - maybe von Liar did it himself, in which case he should leave such matters to a professional).

Nonetheless, the bulk of my von Liar expos? will not be about his appearance (though to deceive people purposefully seems dubious), but rather merely to shed light on his credentials and offer some suggestions for you, the participants of this forum, to get to the truth of Christian von Liar.

Be assured, I am not maleficent (def: Harmful or evil in intent or effect) which are von Liar's words, but rather, via my fictitious (in the end, aren't all avatars and anonymous personas a little suspect?) I do truly believe in an Originalist interpretation of our Constitution, and therefore am adamant about Liberty over Tyranny, and ultimately, seeking the Truth - though not necessarily placing judgement on "The Truth," as there are occasional nuances which can affect our judgment of how The Truth may may affect our outcomes - e.g. two people kill another human being: one , a mother who kills her infant son by decapitating him  vs. a soldier who kills an enemy during wartime - both are "killers" insofar as "The Truth" is concerned, but nonetheless subject to some interpretation by rational human beings. So while I generally view "The Truth" as ultimately being black & white, I allow for nuances in how we interpret the results.

Insofar as Miss Herget's articles are concerned, I will not address them directly, other than to say, I will likely not be as beneficent.

[KnyeGuy]

V, can you post links to where you obtained the 3rd and 4th photos?
A quick image search turned up photos 1, 2 and 4. However, I couldn't find the exact same size of photo 4 that you have posted (maybe you slightly enlarged it? I found one sized at "216 x 288" but yours is "225 x 300" ). Mind you, I just did a really quick search...

And as far as picture 3, I found it here: http://www.bmse.net/bmse2008/mall/vendor_admin/images/product_images/aaa.jpg

Frankly, picture 3 already looks retouched. Look at the obvious mismatched skintone of his chin/double-chin as compared to the rest of his face ; This irregular skintone forms a distinct curved line that begins at his bottom lip (on the right side) and continues to the bottom of his double-chin.

So before beginning any comparisons, it would be nice to know where these were sourced so we can verify their accuracy,...
Otherwise, the whole photoshopping notion is really just hearsay (if the image comes from an obscure 3rd party site, who knows who photoshopped what).
And I don't mean to accuse you of any intentional inaccuracy whatsoever btw


All in all, just seeing this post of yours made me crack up... Not because of the actual content or allegations or anything, but because (like everyone else) I knew a strong "V response" was forthcoming !

[V for Vendetta]

V, can you post links to where you obtained the 3rd and 4th photos?
A quick image search turned up photos 1, 2 and 4. However, I couldn't find the exact same size of photo 4 that you have posted (maybe you slightly enlarged it? I found one sized at "216 x 288" but yours is "225 x 300" ). Mind you, I just did a really quick search...

And as far as picture 3, I found it here: http://www.bmse.net/bmse2008/mall/vendor_admin/images/product_images/aaa.jpg

Frankly, picture 3 already looks retouched. Look at the obvious mismatched skintone of his chin/double-chin as compared to the rest of his face ; This irregular skintone forms a distinct curved line that begins at his bottom lip (on the right side) and continues to the bottom of his double-chin.

All in all, just seeing this post of yours made me crack up... Not because of the actual content or allegations or anything, but because (like everyone else) I knew a strong "V response" was forthcoming !

Nice work in noticing - but I assure you , I have done no retouching, but as you observed, it would appear Pic #3 has also been retouched CLEARLY in that fake chin area.

Here's what I did.

I essentially use the exact same links as you, BUT, with pic #3, I simply cropped the grey areas to the left and right of the actual photo - otherwise, is it unchanged. The site where I found it had it at 300x300 pixels, so I simply cropped off the left and right grey areas, keeping the height the same.

As for pic#4, von Liar himself provides, for the "news" media, various sizes and resolutions of the same photo, which I decided to limit the height to 300 pixels to match the pic#3 photo - an arbitrary though aesthetic call on my part. In my bigger next post, we'll examine in detail, at the pixel level, the changes that were made from "lard-ass pic#3" to "thinner, fraudulent dumb-ass pic#4." All in the name of complete disclosure.

So the only pics I altered in any way was to CROP photo #3 to get rid of extraneous grey areas to the left and right of the provided photo, and to shrink promotional photos provided by his website so as to provide comparison on an :equal size" basis. But the actual retouching will also be incuded, as will many other details about his background in the next post - which, may not be tomorrow after all - we'll see how my time gets divided

There are also promotional pics of his wife Christopher, in similar large formats, which appear to be unretouched. They also appear in CMYK and RGB formats in variuos sizes. Honestly, they need to hire different photographers.

I assure you, that, after examining the large format pics, there's is NO doubt as to the extensiveness of the retouching, and, quite frankly, as to the horrendous quality that was done by the "retoucher." I'll point this out in detail at the pixel level when the next post goes up. And though it really doen't matter in the real world, whoever did this was using Photoshop CS3 (via the metadata included with the pic) - there is NO excuse for such a poor jjob. On the otherhand, there is probably no excuse in pretending to look other than you actually are.

Anyways, I appreciate your keen eye! Criticisms or speculation are always welcome (unlike some others I can think of), and I'll never try to pass off something other than what it really is, unless I forewarn you (anyone) ahead of time.

Farewell, my eagle-eyed friend.

[Michael Vandeven]

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