Topic: Breast Implants

[Michael Vandeven]

when you're flat, and a guy likes you, you know he likes you for you.

what if you had huge tits and the guy you're with secretly has a foot fetish?  should you then see your feet then as an object of his supposedly illegitimate affection or interest?  or maybe he's an ass man.  what then?  there is far more to the beauty of a woman than merely beast size/shape, most of which i'm incapable of articulating because i don't really understand it all.  it just is the way it is.

i don't think you should bog yourself down with all of these considerations.  just make yourself look the way you want to look, forget all of the whys, etc., and just go with it.  have a glass of wine and relax.  you'll never know everything about why someone likes you as it's impossible to gauge that anyway.  just feel fortunate when somebody does like you.  there are plenty of people out there sitting at home alone with a cat who would kill to have the opportunity to be wanted, for ANY reason.  sometimes you'll get hurt in your dating pursuits, sometimes it will be rewarding.  such is life.  it's a pretty boring ride if all is rooted in formula and precaution.

should you even bother telling people you date?

i'm not saying yes or no.  i AM saying it wouldn't be any more interesting to me as a matter of disclosure than to be informed of a tooth you had pulled 8 years ago.

[EvB]

i don't think you should bog yourself down with all of these considerations.  just make yourself look the way you want to look, forget all of the whys, etc., and just go with it.  have a glass of wine and relax.

I agree!  and THAT is the "for you" part.  Will you feel more confident? Will that translate into your behavior?  Than I say GO FOR IT.

[Michael Vandeven]

and THAT is the "for you" part.

no... see?  that's my point.  it's not about "for you" or any such thing.  it's about disregarding the whole "i have to say this is for me" restriction.

[Frys Girl]

i'm the one referring to social manipulation.  never said she was.  and you can not deny that women were taught for YEARS that they are inherently betraying their gender in some way if they seek to make themselves physically appealing to men. 
i think sexual confidence is the biggest part of it... regardless of how hard we try to pretend we aren't animals.  we are sending sexual messages to one another all day, everyday as we walk down the street, or stop for a smoke break, or shop for milk (yeah, i deliberately chose to use milk here), or attend church.  yup, even while attending church.  who woulda thunk it?
ok, then what's to have fun with in a bra?  i mean, really?  let's break that down.  it's just a couple of cups with a strap and it's used to hold up tits.  that's it.  what would be fun about that?  i'll tell you.  it's the ability to feel confident that you more closely fit the specifications outlined by society with regard to what's beautiful to look at and what isn't.  and who established those specifications?  men.  that's my only point.  all of this stuff about women doing this for themselves and whatnot... i don't buy it.  i can't.  it can all be boiled down to the desire women feel to adhere more closely to male driven specifications.  if men liked BBs on a billiard table, women would all be heading to the chop shop to make that happen for themselves.  but they don't.  why?  because it's not considered appealing.  and why is that?  because men have set that standard. 
you said you're flat, right?  there's your answer.  most men are doing exactly what you just said when facing that question from a self-proclaimed flat girl; they're being nice.  on the whole, i think most men would prefer a nice, full set of tits on a woman.  not all men, but most.

i'm not saying you should do it.  i'm not saying you shouldn't.  i'm just saying there's no shame in women saying something other than they're doing it for themselves... because they all say that.  well, except for that freaky bitch in the picture above.

Of course you don't buy it! You're not a woman. The feeling of confidence might be fueled by that sexual power and it might not. But either way, I am doing it for myself. I think that if it is more sexually satisfying to a partner, that's an added benefit to be sure. But when I cause pain and temporary handicap to myself by having this surgery, I'm not doing it for others. And yes, bras are fun. Shopping is fun. It's not my entire life, but I like to shop and look good for me. When I gain weight or don't work out, I don't like how I feel, not because of how others see me, but because it's about discipline! But certainly how others view me is part of why I do what I do.

When I was younger, and had started dating, I was knocking myself out and I realized that the emotional build ups were just a let down because I was putting others ahead of myself. Once my own confidence was in place, I had happier relationships. The confidence and happiness this operation can have for me isn't fed by being attractive to others! It's about feeling more feminine and curvaceous. Those qualities translate into fun personal satisfaction. Anyway I'm not going to get into a whole "song of myself", but I can tell you that the suspicion isn't what's holding me back. The pain is!!!

 

Why wear clothes at all then?!? LoL.

[Michael Vandeven]

Why wear clothes at all then?!? LoL.

so that i can walk publicly without people losing their lunch, thank you.

[PW]

Of course you don't buy it! You're not a woman. The feeling of confidence might be fueled by that sexual power and it might not. But either way, I am doing it for myself. I think that if it is more sexually satisfying to a partner, that's an added benefit to be sure. But when I cause pain and temporary handicap to myself by having this surgery, I'm not doing it for others. And yes, bras are fun. Shopping is fun. It's not my entire life, but I like to shop and look good for me. When I gain weight or don't work out, I don't like how I feel, not because of how others see me, but because it's about discipline! But certainly how others view me is part of why I do what I do.

Why wear clothes at all then?!? LoL.

May I make a suggestion?  My ex-wife has breast implants, and like many women, she had ongoing problems.  Any beneficial change in appearance can easily be outweighed by the long-term physical problems associated with implants.  If you have not already, I invite you to peruse the better internet sites regarding some of the common short and long-term problems associated with the surgery, and the impact on the body by having foreign objects in it.  Contrary to some people's opinion, implants are not permanent, and many women face multiple, and progressively disfiguring surgeries.  That's it.  My two cents are used up.

[MABUSE]

 have a glass of wine and relax. 

EXACTLY!
 
Have a nice glass of wine and a low-tar baboon.  I've given up gorillas for now.
 
**M**

[TexasSteel]

Ok - here is the definitive answer - if a woman wants to add a modest amount of bulk to her breast, and it improves her self-esteem - then great!! 
But, most women THINK most men want all women to have big breasts.  After doing one on one surveys for years - here is the consensus of the vast majority or men.  Ninety five percent of men do NOT care about the size of their lovers breasts.  We do want something there that look like breasts.   But, most women will not believe that.  Sure, we hoop and holler when some big titted girl walks by - but you girls expect us to act that way and we don?t want to disappoint you gals.   Come on guys - confirm what I just typed.

[MABUSE]

Ok - here is the definitive answer - if a woman wants to add a modest amount of bulk to her breast, and it improves her self-esteem - then great!! 
But, most women THINK most men want all women to have big breasts.  After doing one on one surveys for years - here is the consensus of the vast majority or men.  Ninety five percent of men do NOT care about the size of their lovers breasts.  We do want something there that look like breasts.   But, most women will not believe that.  Sure, we hoop and holler when some big titted girl walks by - but you girls expect us to act that way and we don?t want to disappoint you gals.   Come on guys - confirm what I just typed.

He's TOTALLY lying...
 
joking!
**M**

[kaleidoscope]

I haven't had 'em but have considered surgery. The results of my impromptu poll of 8 friends  (which is all the science I'd need to be interviewed by Noory) shows the ones who have had implants in proportion to their frame to be happy with them, with the exception of one with a bad side effect related to healing. None of them have the BadaBing look. However, several other friends have had reductions because they were born with the BadaBing look and now are happy to be smaller. "Proportionality" is the key, apparently. Still undecided myself.

[slipstream]

I happened to find this today:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1196382/My-boom-bust-boobs-What-like-suffer-agony-enlargement-surgery--realise-youve-terrible-mistake.html

[kaleidoscope]

Thanks, Slipstream!

That is a fantastic link. Superb insight into our great American obsession with plastic surgery. I printed it out for "girlfriend syndication."

[Words I Like]

Overly large breasts should be reduced for health reasons. If you have an extremely flat chest then you are gifted with the challenge of cultivating a mind that can co-exist with its body on a rational and logical level. If you have small to medium breasts then consider yourself lucky because it wont become a burden on your spine.

If you think surgery will help you have more fun staring at yourself in the mirror, fondling yourself in bed, shopping for pieces of fabric that are sewn together etc then you can either A: go take some Shrooms and get your ego pulled inside out, or B: make a mockery out of all the gazzilions of events that led up to your existence.

When limb augmentation becomes a reality then I will sign up for it because its a useful and functional add-on.

[PhantasticSanShiSan]

Overly large breasts should be reduced for health reasons. If you have an extremely flat chest then you are gifted with the challenge of cultivating a mind that can co-exist with its body on a rational and logical level. If you have small to medium breasts then consider yourself lucky because it wont become a burden on your spine.

If you think surgery will help you have more fun staring at yourself in the mirror, fondling yourself in bed, shopping for pieces of fabric that are sewn together etc then you can either A: go take some Shrooms and get your ego pulled inside out, or B: make a mockery out of all the gazzilions of events that led up to your existence.

When limb augmentation becomes a reality then I will sign up for it because its a useful and functional add-on.

It might be harsh, but I am going with Words I Like here.  Artificial boobs, artificial ego boost.  It's like 2 pacifiers on your chest, and I'm not trying to be funny.

[Words I Like]

I am a guy, what do I need nipples for? I will now go have them removed. 

[PhantasticSanShiSan]

I think what Words says is good, but that's saying too much about what boobs will be or mean. IT's just a small part of me (literally) and I'm just looking to keep it that way, even in terms of ego. It's more like these implants will achieve a balance, not a ego thrill. When you feel a void, and there's a way to fill that void (feeling less feminine), it's easy to say to yourself "stop being so fucking selfish. at least you are not praying for oxygen to flow into your lungs." I grapple with that stuff, and I realize the ridiculousness of it. But for some reason, I want boobs. Real size boobs. And it's nothing men can relate to in terms of penis size. When you have a penis, it's there no matter what. No one sees it. Regardless of the surgery, the flat chested issues are real and people just think it's self-centered to admit to wanting boobs. I don't see it that way at all.

So basically you are saying that you are fooling yourself into thinking that you have bigger breast.  Because everyone is gonna know they are not real, except you because you say you are going to overlook the fact that you have 2 huge lumps of foreign material in your chest that aren't really breast.

Personally, I believe in do what the hell you want (within reason), but I also believe in playing with hand that was dealt to you.  This specific issue has nothing to do with mental or medical health - unless you are telling us that you have the literal chest of a malnourished 8 year-old boy.  Not a small B, or a small A, but nothing.  And even then it's skectchy.