Topic: Is Richard C. Hoagland 100% delusional or only 99%?

[MABUSE]

DUDES!  I'm telling you it's a CAT!

GUYS, I was JOKING!!!! look in the upper right hand quadrant!  I was dicking around and thought it would be funny...I was either too subtle or too stupid for my own good. (And in fact is a left-over from a mocking version of Where's Waldo some friends and I were playing back in the old days...)
MEA CULPA!
The HOAXLAND C3PO thing was like 2 or 3 years ago, back when I still listened occassionally.  In fact, it was THAT show more than any other that convinced me that Hoaxland was grasping at the memory of shadows of straws as concrete proof of anything.

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[EvB]

GUYS, I was JOKING!!!!
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[MABUSE]

Well... Hi Five to the froggy!

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[Michael Vandeven]

I still think it's a cat.

haha!

[PW]

i just watched that video.  all i can say is, "god damn."

i don't know who to be angrier at:  george noory for continuing to give this guy a forum, or art bell for getting this guy STARTED on the show.  people like ed dames and richard hoagland have served to do nothing but diminish the credibility of everybody else who appears on coast to coast.  i'm tired of george trying to make the show out to be a place where people go when they want to be at the cutting edge of news and information.  bullshit.  c2c is the cutting edge of inaccuracies, misinformation, and lies overseen by a host who properly challenges nobody.

To All:

I have become more and more convinced as time passes, and as C2C painfully shrivels into daily malapropisms, that the soul of 'Coast to Coast AM' will always be considered 'The Art Bell Show'. 

Over the years I have witnessed a process which can be analogous to an author writing a book and then having someone else write the last chapter.  On the outside, the finished product appears to be whole, but when one reads the material in a linear way, as long-time C2C listeners have, it is eventually apparent that not only the flow and intent of the book have been compromised, but that the 'soul' of the undertaking has been co-opted by a collective, individuated disinterest. 

Art Bell was not a perfect host, but he took the "Art of Talk" to heart.  His phrases and concepts such as 'The Quickening' were essentially allusions to his creation and nurturing of "The Art Bell Show" as a whole. 

My main point is that the current gaunt and intellectually hobbled reincarnation of C2C has become more of "The George Noory Show".  C2C, wearing an oily, mottled cloak of deception while blindly swinging a truth stained scythe, has figuratively and gleefully danced atop a deadly silent, moss-covered monument of accomplishment.  With the sun at the right point in the sky, casting light upon the weathered face of the monument, one can barely see the now almost indiscernible words: ART BELL.

PW

[Mops]

As I recall, Richard was still living in New Mexico downwind of the atomic desert area.  (Of course, the way the wind swirls through those mountains everyone is downwind at one time or another.)  We used to drive over there when I was a kid to see all of the latest two-headed calves, 10-12 inch-long chicken eggs, eight-clawed chickens and stuff until the ranchers and farmers died off from cancer.  I believe there is a still a pretty good-sized nest of characters like Hoagland living over in there.  Some of the retired military intelligence types are as loopy as Richard.  These guys really will shoot at you if you step on their property.       

[Michael Vandeven]

As I recall, Richard was still living in New Mexico downwind of the atomic desert area.  (Of course, the way the wind swirls through those mountains everyone is downwind at one time or another.)  We used to drive over there when I was a kid to see all of the latest two-headed calves, 10-12 inch-long chicken eggs, eight-clawed chickens and stuff until the ranchers and farmers died off from cancer.  I believe there is a still a pretty good-sized nest of characters like Hoagland living over in there.  Some of the retired military intelligence types are as loopy as Richard.  These guys really will shoot at you if you step on their property.       

[Mops]

Oh, mercy, that's hysterical.  Is that Google Mars?   

[PW]

you've got to be fucking kidding me.  the seas will part if i can hear audio of this.  holy christ on a popsicle stick.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

[Marc Knight]

"The Face in the Lamp"

[brugvu]

you guys should do a little research, Hoagland has never been off.
Obviously you are lazy skeptics. 
maybe you should listen to his older shows with art from 96-99.
I bet you will change your tune.
Old Navy was DEAD ON.  Face and Monuments on Mars DEAD ON.
Water on Europa DEAD On.  Phoenix June 20th 1997 DEAD ON.
Hyper-D Physics DEAD On.  Mason-Egyptian Nasa connection.. DEAD ON.
Some People in NASA f'ing everything up... DEAD ON.
NASA keeping mars pictures from the public... DEAD ON.
He has been right atleast 90%
do some research,

Masses are the asses... you guys take the cake.

ANd yes George noory blows. I agree.

[MABUSE]

you guys should do a little research, Hoagland has never been off.
Obviously you are lazy skeptics. 
maybe you should listen to his older shows with art from 96-99.
I bet you will change your tune.
Old Navy was DEAD ON.  Face and Monuments on Mars DEAD ON.
Water on Europa DEAD On.  Phoenix June 20th 1997 DEAD ON.
Hyper-D Physics DEAD On.  Mason-Egyptian Nasa connection.. DEAD ON.
Some People in NASA f'ing everything up... DEAD ON.
NASA keeping mars pictures from the public... DEAD ON.
He has been right atleast 90%
do some research,

Old Navy was DEAD ON.  no idea (unless a reference to those fabulous linen slacks, in the which case I must grudgingly agree with Tricky Dick on that one)
 
Face and Monuments on Mars DEAD ON. Nothing of the kind, total sham and fraud debunked repeatedly

Water on Europa DEAD On.  Hardly a Hoaxland original thought, long speculated by adults and real scientists to be the case
 
Phoenix June 20th 1997 DEAD ON.  no idea

Hyper-D Physics DEAD On. Utterly and completely stolen material which, in addition, has been proven to be complete bunkum and Nuri-hokum akin to abiotic oil.
 
Mason-Egyptian Nasa connection.. DEAD ON.  Completely unoriginal and completely delusional as well as being completely untrue. (see my previous post about Washington DC par exemplar)
Some People in NASA f'ing everything up... DEAD ON.  General, broad-brushed accusations based on incorrect or manipulated half-truths does not constitute proof of anything other than delusional paranoia on the part of the teller.

NASA keeping mars pictures from the public... DEAD ON.  A poor statement of explicable fact made with the intention of giving rise to an atmosphere of "Conspiracy" which in turn then becomes evidence for much of the foregoing delusionalism.He has been right atleast 90%
 
Yes, lets DO do some research, how about Hoaxland's credentials?
 
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/credentials.html
 
http://www.gpposner.com/Hoagland.html
 
 
Anyone else wanna get in on the smackdown? My arm is tired and I am bored now...
 
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[Michael Vandeven]

this brugvu sent me several rude and socially inept emails asking that i pick through my entire art bell collection finding every hoagland show he was missing from his own library.  guess he didn't get the point when i utterly ignored his first email.  he proposed to compensate me for this horse-assery by tossing me a couple bones in the form of an art bell show or two from 1997/1998.  rubbish.  when i said it would be too much trouble to go picking around and instead suggested i mail him my library on DVD and he mail me his, he behaved as though i'd requested permission to mouth-sex his sister, pretending it would really put him out to burn those 18-cent DVDs and mail them because he "has more shows than me."  god damn that's douchy.  i love it when people INITIATE CONTACT and then proceed to get demanding when it is THEY asking the favor.  the text from my final email correspondence to him:

"Get Lost.
Sincerely,
MV"

[Michael Vandeven]

oh, and one more thing...
he told me that i "missed out" by telling him to shove off.  life has taught me that when someone says it's "your loss" or some such bilge, it's usually NOT your loss.

[MABUSE]

... he behaved as though i'd requested permission to mouth-sex his sister...

I almost plotzed when I read that!  Scalding coffee did however errupt from my nostrils in a twin-salute to Old Faithful. 
 
Perhaps the flaw in your logic was requesting permission?   
 
In any event let us hope we've seen the heels of that heel!
 
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[Michael Vandeven]

Scalding coffee did however errupt from my nostrils in a twin-salute to Old Faithful. 

HAHA!!

[EvB]

oh, and one more thing...
he told me that i "missed out" by telling him to shove off.  life has taught me that when someone says it's "your loss" or some such bilge, it's usually NOT your loss.

There is another forum I could recommend.

[sanddollar]

The following link highlights some of Hoagland's assertions, claims and egocentric view of himself

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/credentials.html

[Peenman Enterprises]

I will admit up front I did not read every post in the thread, so if I repeat something my apologies....

That said my favorite Hoagland moments:

He once, in the early days of the Internet, claimed some elaborate conspiracy was true because he was getting email from someone highly placed at a major university. Art, having been a victim of a famous email hoax himself, tried vainly, many times, to convince Richard that people could spoof email addresses and he really had no way to know if he was being hoaxed by the emailers or not. Richard just kept insisting 'he could tell' they were genuine.

Does anyone else remember when he stubbornly insisted that NASA was scheduling launches based on astrology? Again his secret contacts told him so via email, and Art tried mightily to dissuade him but could not.

But best of all was when Phil Hendrie, in cahoots with the host (I can't remember who the host was that night but I remember that they later admitted being in on the hoax) called on Richard's birthday and pretended to be Walter Cronkite wishing him a happy birthday. Phil/Walter went on to tell the host that he bought 'one of those hand cranked radios you advertise but it was a piece of crap'. Does anyone else remember this? Richard, of course, later claimed that he knew all along it wasn't really Walter, but he seemed fooled during the call.

[Michael Vandeven]

But best of all was when Phil Hendrie, in cahoots with the host (I can't remember who the host was that night but I remember that they later admitted being in on the hoax) called on Richard's birthday and pretended to be Walter Cronkite wishing him a happy birthday. Phil/Walter went on to tell the host that he bought 'one of those hand cranked radios you advertise but it was a piece of crap'. Does anyone else remember this? Richard, of course, later claimed that he knew all along it wasn't really Walter, but he seemed fooled during the call.

heh heh, i remember that.  noory was hosting.  didn't phil go on to say that he uses the hand crank radio to grate cheese or something?  i have a recording of this somewhere, but i have no idea where.  i'd like to hear it again.

[b_dubb]

i saw a video of hoagland giving a talk in a conference room at the UN (rented by Hoagland i'm sure) and it was pretty obvious this guy was connecting dots that had absolutely nothing to do with each other.  when you find a pattern and start looking for that pattern elsewhere .. you're going to find it again.  because you're looking for it.  self fulfilling prophecy?  idk ... but hoagland seemed awfully pleased with himself. and his hairpiece seemed pretty happy too

pretty sure he's delusional and has an inflated sense of self. 

does anyone know what he consulted on for NASA?  janitorial supplies?

b

[Peenman Enterprises]

But best of all was when Phil Hendrie, in cahoots with the host (I can't remember who the host was that night but I remember that they later admitted being in on the hoax) called on Richard's birthday and pretended to be Walter Cronkite wishing him a happy birthday. Phil/Walter went on to tell the host that he bought 'one of those hand cranked radios you advertise but it was a piece of crap'. Does anyone else remember this? Richard, of course, later claimed that he knew all along it wasn't really Walter, but he seemed fooled during the call.

heh heh, i remember that.  noory was hosting.  didn't phil go on to say that he uses the hand crank radio to grate cheese or something?  i have a recording of this somewhere, but i have no idea where.  i'd like to hear it again.

Now that you mention it yes he did make the cheese grater reference. As for listening to it All I recall is that I listened at work, I had that job between 2000 and 2005, Wikipedia lists Hoagland's birthday as April 25, so I suppose you could check those dates. If he really was on the night of his birthday that would narrow it down to five possibilities...

[Michael Vandeven]

But best of all was when Phil Hendrie, in cahoots with the host (I can't remember who the host was that night but I remember that they later admitted being in on the hoax) called on Richard's birthday and pretended to be Walter Cronkite wishing him a happy birthday. Phil/Walter went on to tell the host that he bought 'one of those hand cranked radios you advertise but it was a piece of crap'. Does anyone else remember this? Richard, of course, later claimed that he knew all along it wasn't really Walter, but he seemed fooled during the call.

heh heh, i remember that.  noory was hosting.  didn't phil go on to say that he uses the hand crank radio to grate cheese or something?  i have a recording of this somewhere, but i have no idea where.  i'd like to hear it again.

Now that you mention it yes he did make the cheese grater reference. As for listening to it All I recall is that I listened at work, I had that job between 2000 and 2005, Wikipedia lists Hoagland's birthday as April 25, so I suppose you could check those dates. If he really was on the night of his birthday that would narrow it down to five possibilities...

i'm looking for the episode of phil's show where he played the c2c clip...

[HAL 9000]

Here is an interview by Art Bell of "Tricky Dick" Hoaxland, showing he is 1% delusional, and 99% huckster. Listen by downloading the attached mp3.

[onan]

Years ago I was asked to review a book by Hoagland. It may have been his first I dunno. I can tell you it was tripe on so many levels. I do not remember Hoagland's credentials. I do remember he was mastering the art of illogic (my word... I made it up) and hyperbole (yes I know I use that word way too often). Originally I think he had an idea that was worth discussion or at least invigorating the imagination, but his spark fizzled a long time ago. Now his ideas are pandering instead of inspiring.

[Marc Knight]

Years ago I was asked to review a book by Hoagland. It may have been his first I dunno. I can tell you it was tripe on so many levels. I do not remember Hoagland's credentials. I do remember he was mastering the art of illogic (my word... I made it up) and hyperbole (yes I know I use that word way too often). Originally I think he had an idea that was worth discussion or at least invigorating the imagination, but his spark fizzled a long time ago. Now his ideas are pandering instead of inspiring.

He tries very hard to blur the line between science fiction and reality.  It's a theme throughout his "work".  Check out the little Starship Enterprise on the upper right-hand side of his website - it shares an orbit with a representation of a "real" shuttle, symbolizing his fiction-reality quest.  http://www.enterprisemission.com/
 
 

[Renaldo]

 
He tries very hard to blur the line between science fiction and reality.   

Most Coast guests do.

You can all say what you want about Hoagland, and give him all the nicknames you want.  I think he's fantastic, one of the best guests out there.  By no means do I think he's right about anything, and by no means do I believe a word he says, but I think he's highly entertaining for all the right and wrong reasons. 

Do I buy that it's C3P0's head out there?  No, of course not.  It's obviously Chewbacca's.

[haloedorchid]

I do not remember Hoagland's credentials.

I decided to look this up, because I remember a couple years ago I looked into this myself and came up with virtually nothing. This website http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/credentials.html sums up his credentials with this:
 
 

• Hoagland claims he was the first to think of the idea that there might be an ocean under Europa's surface, and that life might exist in that ocean. This claim is demonstrably false.
• Hoagland claims he came up with the idea of the Pioneer plaque, he presented it to Sagan (along with Eric Burgess), and that without him it would never have happened. These claims are hearsay, as he has no evidence of it, just his word. But there is the word of at least three other people (Sagan, Drake, and Burgess himself) who say Hoagland's input on this was minimal at best.
• Hoagland claims to have won the "prestigious" Angstrom medal. It is not clear that the people who gave it to him had the right to do so, and even if they did, they have later said that doing so was a mistake.

 

[Michael Vandeven]

He tries very hard to blur the line between science fiction and reality.  It's a theme throughout his "work".  Check out the little Starship Enterprise on the upper right-hand side of his website - it shares an orbit with a representation of a "real" shuttle, symbolizing his fiction-reality quest.  http://www.enterprisemission.com/

what an AWFUL website.

[Renaldo]

 
   Hoagland claims to have won the "prestigious" Angstrom medal. It is not clear that the people who gave it to him had the right to do so, and even if they did, they have later said that doing so was a mistake.

What the heck even is the Prestigious Angstrom Medal?  When I google it, the first page is all about Hoagland! lol