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muddel

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HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« on: January 02, 2010, 01:46:36 PM »

Hi Guys, This is a bit long but I don't feel Coast is paying enough attention to this matter as it is nearly a decade latter, and 'they' have gotten away with it(The Unindicted Co-conspirators) 9/11 truthers can 'friend' me on FB under my real name 'Albert Venczel' something has to be done as least give the politicians a hard time when they run for the public trust. Join the <WeareChange> local chapter for your area. For the full text go to URL provided. Thanks ! - muddel

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Prologue
Read the following two screens of text to learn what happened at 9/11.

9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad.

Larry Silverstein leases a nearly worthless dinosaur WTC building complex (worthless due to the asbestos the buildings were stuffed with and needed to be cleaned up, the cost of which may have rivaled the value of the buildings themselves) weeks before 9/11, makes sure it is over insured against terrorist acts and hires an Israeli security firm. From that moment on the coast is clear to let a team of demolition experts from the Israeli army led by Peer Segalovitz into the WTC buildings. These charges plus detonators had been prepared at the premises of the Urban Moving Systems company, a Mossad front. During the weeks before 9/11 these prepared charges were loaded into vans, driven into the basements of WTC Twin Towers next to the elevator shaft, unloaded into the elevator, and lifted onto the roof of the elevator through the opening in the elevator ceiling. Next the elevator moved from floor to floor while charges where being attached to the columns as displayed in this video from 0:22 onwards. The detonators of these charges were radiographic controlled and finally detonated from WTC7 on the day of 9/11.

Fast backward, Hamburg 54 Marienstrasse, july 2000, 22:40. Mohamed Atta, Al Shehhi and Jarrah (who were later blamed of being the pilots of flight 11, 175 and 93 respectively), who share the apartment hear the ringing of the door bell. Jarrah opens the door, 5 masked men make their way into the apartment with drawn pistols. The 3 Arabs are forced to lay on the ground. Their passports are confiscated, next the 3 men are made unconscious with some liquid and strangled to death afterwards. The bodies are carried out of the apartment into a van and driven off towards a desolate spot at the boarding of the Elbe river outside Hamburg, 1 kilometer north of Borstel and disposed of into the river with a bag filled with stones tied to their feet. The 3 passports are now in the possession of the agents of the Mossad, who carried out the raid on the apartment and 3 Arabs have vanished without anybody knowing that they are dead. Not long after the raid the 3 passports are given to 3 Israeli agents who were selected on having some resemblance with the 3 Arabs just killed. They make for America soon afterwards in the summer of 2000 and start laying a trail at flight schools, posing with the stolen identities from the 3 Arabs killed.

Years earlier the israeli Michael Goff working for PTech, an Arab owned software company that develops key enterprise software for many government institutions like NORAD and FAA, using his secure channel with another israeli Amit Yoran, somehow manages to give Israeli army computer programmers access to this critical computer code. It was due to this manipulation that the hijackings on 9/11 remained unnoticed by the flight controller of NORAD. Once this was in place the planes could be taken over by remote control and flown into the World Trade Center.

The hijacking of airliners by remote control had been tested as a dress rehearsal for 9/11 on the Egypt Air flight 990 that crashed into the Atlantic on October 31, 1999.

Now everything was in place to commit the crime of the century. On the day of 9/11 the Israeli stand-ins for the ‘Arab hijackers’ showed up at the predestined departure airports to make sure they were captured on surveillance camera’s. The crucial point here is that the security at both the departure airports was in hands of an Israeli firm Huntleigh-USA, a subsidiary of the Dutch based but Israeli owned ICTS led by a fellow named Menahem Atzmon. And this is crucial: Atzmon used to be a colleague of Olmert in 1998. So there you have the link between the 9/11 operative level (an airport security firm) and the highest level of Israeli politics. What happened on the morning of 9/11 was that after the Israeli stand-ins were captured on camera, they left the airport via a side entrance and the show could begin. Minutes after the planes became air born somebody somehow was able to send a signal to the planes, causing the control panels to be disabled and the flight destination altered. What happened was that an anti-hijack system was activated (code word ‘home run’) and the regular pilot was put out of control. This pilot will probably have tried frantically to regain control of his aircraft. It is not very likely he will have told his passengers about the new situation since that would only cause panic. The passengers probably suspected nothing and hence had no reason to make any phone calls to their relatives (which were not possible anyway). And while the 9/11 passengers unsuspecting travel towards their immanent deaths, on the ground from a war room Israeli agents carry out phone calls to relatives of the passengers that were still in the air, using voice morphing technology and caller-ID spoofing and thus planted the Arabs-did-it-deception in the public consciousness. The sound samples necessary to carry out the fake telephone calls had been obtained via the israeli infiltration of American telephone networks by Israeli firms like Amdocs and Verint. By the time that the passengers were puzzled as they discerned the New York sky line it was already too late.

Meanwhile on the other side of the Hudson river the members of the Israeli team that planted the demolition charges were waiting for things to happen. And while the rest of New York experienced in horror the events that were unfolding that day, the demolition experts were celebrating and high-fiving. The plot had worked out magnificently.

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Core Argument
Ok, I admit. Some elements in this story are speculative. I do not know for instance if Atta was killed in Germany or in America. But the story is an coherent educated speculation. It is an attempt to reconstruct the events of 9/11. Myriads of web sites exist that expose the inconsistencies in the official story, that obviously is a fraud. This story offers an integral explanation of what could have happened and in all likelihood more or less did happen at 9/11 as there can be hardly any doubt about who was behind 9/11 if one rejects the official story. Some elements remain vague, like what happened exactly to WTC7, flight77, flight93 or Mohamed Atta. But these questions are of academic interest only. It’s clear who was behind 9/11 and what happened in detail with WTC-1/2 and the planes. That is enough. Here’s where most people got killed. The rest of the plot can be uncovered by a tribunal.

In order to prevent that you get swallowed up by yet another 10 meters of screen text here is the core of the argument. The story is based on 2 broadly accepted postulates:

1) WTC was brought down by controlled demolition
2) The ‘dancing Israelis’ on the morning of 9/11 had foreknowledge of things to come

These 2 premises are enough to put the Official Conspiracy Theory (Arabs did it) out of business.

Premise 2 leads to the preliminary conclusion that the Israelis had foreknowledge because they organized the attacks themselves. Since Israelis are not known to commit suicide attacks we have to assume that the airplanes that crashed into their destinations were remote controlled. If one accepts this as a working hypothesis than there is a lot, I mean really a lot, of material that supports this Israeli Conspiracy Theory that replaces the official Arab Conspiracy Theory. We have the dedicated Zionist Silverstein who leases the WTC complex and over insures it against terrorism (leading to a hansom profit); we know that security at all departure airports and ‘arrival airports’ (WTC) was in Israeli hands (Huntleigh-USA and Kroll Associates, resp.); we know that the owner of Huntleigh-USA, Menachem Atzmon, a convicted criminal, had strong ties to Ehud Olmert, that is the highest level of Israeli politics; we also know that the Israeli secret service can eavesdrop on virtually everybody in the USA via Israeli owned companies like Amdocs and Verint which gave the Mossad the possibility to obtain sound samples of future 9/11 passengers to apply voice morphing to in order to make the fake phone calls on 9/11. And of course there is Dov Zakheim, the real mastermind of 9/11 who was CEO of SPC for 4 years prior to 9/11, a company that produces systems for remote control of airplanes. The same Zakheim that was a member of the Zionist dominated PNAC group, that more or less plotted for a global American empire, and suggested that a ‘New Pearl Harbor‘ (page 51) could speed things up a bit; and finally the same Zakheim that 6 months before 9/11 became supervisor of a group of Pentagon comptrollers that had to sort out what had happened to the 2.3 trillion dollars that were missing from the Pentagon books; many of these comptrollers conveniently got killed on 9/11 and much of the financial data went with them. This is the core of the story.

Note: I am not claiming that 9/11 is solved. Of this however we can be certain: WTC controlled demolition, Israelis carried out the operation, no Arab hijackers, mastermind Zakheim, motive PNAC & Clean Break and remote control. I do not care about flight77 or 93, those are details to be solved by crime investigators. The most pressing question is that of remote control: how was that done? Were the original flights 11 and 175 remote controlled themselves or was there a plane swap as some have suggested, including Bollyn?

Disclaimer: nobody is guilty until convicted by a court of law. This page’s intent is to stimulate thinking about 9/11 from a different angle than the official one. From day one the blame has been put at bin Laden and his people without real evidence. Today bin Laden is no longer persecuted for 9/11 according to the FBI website. The theory proposed here might be true or false or contain some truth. In the end it must be an official investigation that determines who is guilty and who is not. This page is dedicated to Italian ex-president Cossiga who is the highest ranking statesman to date who has openly stated that it was the Mossad who has carried out the 9/11 attacks.
End of Disclaimer



Contents
Introduction
Arab Conspiracy Theory (ACT)
LIHOP Conspiracy Theory (LCT)
Israeli Conspiracy Theory (ICT)
……Motive behind 9/11
……How 9/11 was done
……The main players
……Solving 9/11
Central Story Line
More on the core of the argument
More on 9/11 motives
The fake 9/11 phone calls
Dancing Israelis or Urban Movers planting explosives at the WTC
The link between Olmert and 9/11
Dov Zakheim, remote control and the Pentagon
Who were the plotters?
Blaming the Arabs
Remote Control Scenario
Pentagon attack motive
What happened to flight77 if it did not crash into the Pentagon?
9/11 operational errors
Peer Segalovitz, the demolition man
Visualizing 9/11
Testing remote control: Air Egypt 990
The cost of having other opinions about 9/11
Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky do not care about who was behind 9/11
The 9/11 International Tribunal
Ron Paul provisional government
Additional material
……More on the WTC collapse
……Voice morphing
…….9/11 conspiracy too complex?
…….Plane swapping
……Khalid Sheik Muhamed mastermind of 9/11?
……9/11 war room
……More on remote control
……Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew
……Lucky Larry Silverstein
……Sibel Edmonds and 9/11-2
……9/11 Commission Report
……On David Ray Griffin’s strategy
……Non-disclosure of Pentagon videos
……Operation Northwood
……PNAC and the New Pearl Harbour
……Bad omens
……Phone calls transcript
……Phone calls from high altitude and high speed in 2001
……Pentagon no-plane theory reservations
……Bin Laden no longer sought after
……More on the dancing Israelis
……More on Israeli eavesdropping
……Attempt to reconstruct
……Interesting additional material, isolated facts, articles, video’s, etc.
……Open questions
……Unprocessed links



Introduction
Many people realize that the official explanation of the 9/11 events is implausible. Prof. David Ray Griffin for instance has written several books detailing what is implausible about the official story, hereafter dubbed as the Arab Conspiracy Theory (ACT). The aim of this blog will be to present a competing conspiracy theory, dubbed as the Israeli Conspiracy Theory (ICT) to see who might win this competition. I do not claim to present much original material, almost all of the ICT proposed here is based on the work of Christopher Bollyn, see this link for his theory about who was behind 9/11. My added value will be to collect additional material from the net, like Youtube videos and the like and to add some ideas and speculations of my own.

Bollyn discusses his 9/11 theory and other topics (2006)
This documentary ‘Missing Links‘ is based on the work of Bollyn:

Methodology

Some of what will be said here will be speculation. Nothing will be ‘proven’ here as such. Amateur detectives like me do not have a forensic apparatus at their disposal like police departments do, I just have a brain, a limited amount of time and an internet connection. Like in a classic whodunnit the aim is to construct a story line that is not in contradiction with the known facts. This is like in real live crime solving: first collect relevant facts, construct a hypothesis and finally test and prove your hypothesis. This blog will be focusing on constructing a hypothesis and thus, as if it were, increase the appetite to get the damned thing solved. The work of Griffin is invaluable in that it is thorough and precise; Bollyn goes further and comes up with an integral story. Bollyn is currently writing a book ’solving 9/11′ that will, by it’s nature, be confined to letters printed on paper. This blog will be like an (unauthorized) appendix to his work by using the resources only the internet can offer.

Goal

The ultimate goal is to increase pressure on authorities in order to reopen the official 9/11 investigation, preferably in an international context to bring the true perpetrators to justice.

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Marc Knight

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2010, 03:06:04 PM »
This is a little muddled. :)

Michael Vandeven

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2010, 01:37:35 AM »
9/11 was a master plot, concocted by a handfull of Israelis and dual passport Americans and carried out by the resources of the Mossad.
that's where i tuned out.


James G.

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 11:32:59 AM »
I've heard guests on Coast To Coast AM discuss the 9/11 attacks as either an inside job, or something along the effect as what's cited above. And I've heard those like Alex Jones and his varied guests discuss the controlled implosion bit as well.

It's all about the power of belief. I accept the majority of the official account of what happened that day. It's based on my own experiences in what is and what isn't possible or logical, and my own research at the time.

For myself, I won't accept the inside-job bit. The logistics, resources and degree of secrecy required to carry it out isn't acceptable to me. But people can accept things as they see it, and too often they'll hold those views whatever the evidence negating it.

I do find the above theory too elaborate to be actualized, but it makes for a good, fictional story.

I know things must often happen as they appear to happen, but there's those like Alex Jones and varied guests who have to create a complex, extensive and far-reaching conspiracy to explain it.

And that won't change. For a government that can hardly run even a Social Security system efficiently, I find it implausible that such could accomplish what I've heard others say they can do, or did.

Too often, we hear about "9/11 Truth." Yet, such offer theories without indisputable proof beyond a reasonable doubt. By definition in our language, the words truth and fact must hold just that.

Again, it's about the power of belief.

Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 02:49:56 PM »
Controlled Demolition is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.  It can only be believed by folks who have never so much as planned a birthday party.

Silent

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 02:52:53 PM »
Oh! Oh!  Will you do DB Cooper or JFK next?!?  Pretty please??

Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 06:05:24 PM »
Controlled Demolition is the dumbest conspiracy theory I've ever heard.  It can only be believed by folks who have never so much as planned a birthday party.

How true. Either of the towers by themselves would have been the largest controlled demolition in history. Yet we are supposed to  believe that two jobs of this size were prepped in buildings that were inhabited 24/7 and had tens of thousands of workers streaming in and out every day. I've never heard an even remotely plausible theory to explain how this was done.

George Drooly

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2011, 04:30:38 AM »
Well OBVIOUSLY the buildings had explosives planted in them from DAY ONE, duh


Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2011, 11:38:56 AM »
How true. Either of the towers by themselves would have been the largest controlled demolition in history. Yet we are supposed to  believe that two jobs of this size were prepped in buildings that were inhabited 24/7 and had tens of thousands of workers streaming in and out every day. I've never heard an even remotely plausible theory to explain how this was done.

Or why, given that they already went through the incredibly complicated task of arranging 2 airplanes to strike them!

Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 06:50:46 AM »
Well OBVIOUSLY the buildings had explosives planted in them from DAY ONE, duh



That's so obvious, why did I not think of that?

GuerrillaUnReal

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 02:45:06 PM »
I'll go on record as saying I don't believe the official story and I have a lot of questions about 9/11.

Michael Vandeven

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 10:33:34 PM »
I'll go on record as saying I don't believe the official story and I have a lot of questions about 9/11.
if you don't believe the official accounting of what happened, then what do you believe?

Michael Vandeven

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2011, 10:36:59 PM »
i really really really need to consolidate all of the 911 posts/threads into one thread.  it's going to be a big job, though.

b_dubb

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2011, 11:12:45 PM »
consolidating sounds really painful.  almost as painful as reading that first post.  and yeah ... i tuned out at "BLAME THE JEWS" also

alternative theory: someone handed Condi Rice a memo titled "Terrorists Will Use Airplanes to Target Skyscrapers - Probably the WTC Towers in NY".  Condi ignored it because she was too busy kissing Dubbya's ass.  9/11 happened.  everyone got really angry and started looking for someone to retaliate against.  War in Afghanistan.  Append War in Iraq to the War in Afghanistan.  The fact that we haven't found Bin Laden I attribute to the profound ineptitude of Don Rumsfeld.  The rest of the Administration weren't much brighter.  8 years of buffoonery.  Yatta yattta yatta ...

if there was a conspiracy of any kind it may have been at a low level in the intelligence community.  some operatives/analysts at the CIA/NSA had intel on the 9/11 attack and sat on it so we'd be able to justify attacking Afghanistan and Iraq.  under this premise - i don't think the conspirators thought the Towers would come down as they were designed to withstand a hit from a plane.  the removal of asbestos from the structures was what allowed the fires from the fuel to burn unchecked. 

i don't think there really was a conspiracy here though.  just some idiots at the very top who were adamant about doing the OPPOSITE of everything the Clinton Administration flagged as a priority (Bin Laden).

Aletheum

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2011, 12:07:24 AM »
 I used to love Art Bell, in fact, I'm listening to a show from April 11, 2004 right now and he is definitely deflecting questions about 911 and "co-responding" or at least trying (either intentionally or unintentionally) to get the listeners to co-respond as he thinks and feels.  He refused to even consider looking into any evidence.  A direct quote from that show: "They can say things like that if they want to, but just. . . don't."

That really hurts to hear, after being a listener for so long, such dismissiveness and closemindedness. 

To think that there were malevolent intent or some shadowy conspiracy SHOULD be repulsive to decent, rational people, but we all know that there are some very in-decent and viscious people in the world.  People getting together and doing things behind other people's backs happens every time a surprise birthday party gets planned.  It's a ridiculous theory that this DOESN'T happen at the highest levels of government and world finance.

It's especially hurtful to those of us who lost someone close in those attacks and have questions that we have been refused answers to. 

Barbarians in caves didn't make NORAD stand down for the first time in it's 50 year history 4 times on one day. 

They didn't change the laws of physics so that buildings fell at the speed of gravity following the path of MOST resistance. 

They didn't convince 6 out of the 10 NIST report commissioners to announce that the government had coerced them into excluding things like WTC7 (the third skyscraper that free-fell in NYC that day that wasn't even hit by a plane, you might not have seen that on the news) from their consideration and that they had been "bullied" into saying and not saying certain things by the administration. 

They didn't make the U.S. spend a third of the money on the investigation into the most horrible crime scene in our nation's history than we spent trying to find out if Slick Willy fooled around with some intern.

It's disgraceful and hurtful and, although I still listen now and again, it's this attitude that keeps shoving this issue more and more toward another speculation-riddled JFK situation.

It's not patriotic to fall into lock-step with every jackass who thinks we're supporting our troops by sending them into places they shouldn't be, slapping a flag up outside and paying more attention to their football games than they do about how much danger our troops are being placed in.  It's patriotic to ask questions so that we know we're not making a mistake.

It's the military's job to protect us physically, but it is our duty as civilians to defend THEM philosophically, by asking questions and making certain they are needed where they are deployed.

I registered here because I just had to comment, after a long train of comments on that show that just got me so down, I really started contemplating not listening to any show anymore if Art is on it.

You can dissmiss me as a nut or some heathen if you wish, but there are a LOT of folks out here that feel as I do and it does affect listenership that Art took such a flipant and derisive attitude in regard to the 911 attacks.

Throw it away if you wish, hammer it if you want, but I hope you can at least see, if not on a human level, then in the statistical, empirical, wasteland of bottom-line cogency, that this hurt.  On both sides of the questions.

b_dubb

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 12:16:55 AM »
Aletheum .. you make some really good points.  I feel like 9/11 is a lot like JFK.  there's so much noise that it's hard to hear the signal.  I think if they disclosed everything about 9/11 and JFK ... the waters are so muddied now ... that no one would know what to do with anything. 

I think most ... maybe all ... Americans lost something on 9/11.  Some more than others. 

GuerrillaUnReal

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 01:41:30 AM »
Just to add to what Ale said...

- I'm expected to believe some 20-something year old camel jockeys were able to hijack a plane, subdue 100+ people with box cutters, navigate the NY Skyline perfectly and hit a pinpoint target not once but twice with less then ten hours in a Cessna? Also hitting the Pentagon was an absolute aeronautic feat of a master pilot.

- Larry Silversteen taking out insurance on the WTC buildings right before the attacks. The owner of the WTCs made an absolute killing off the insurance money

- The irregularities on Wall Street during this time frame

- The corporationization of our culture which is directly linked to the "war on terror"

- The way we've fought the "War on Terror" has been an absolute sham. All we've really accomplished in Afghanistan is for the world's opium/heroin trade to flourish after being threatened by the Taliban's religious ideology. And we attacked Iraq for absolutely no tangible reason. Our response to 9/11 has been a convoluted mess of corruption.

- A neo-con think tank featuring several members of Bush's inner circle called Project for the New American Century outlined every thing that happened in the months leading up to Bush's election. Including a "Pearl Harbor like event to galvanize American support"

There's several more but those are the ones off the top of my head. I really don't like to get into discussions on 9/11 because most people are closed minded and emotional about it. However these are my thoughts. I don't know what really happened but there's way too many questions for me to buy anything about the official story. Especially with how 9/11 has been used to push modern America into a bizarro land unrecognizable from the version we knew on 9/10/01.

Also Art's close-mindedness on this subject is disturbing but I guess I understand. The thing that really irritates me is when he has security or civil rights experts on who express concern about the government's encroachment on our rights and how Art will automatically go against them hard no matter what.

b_dubb

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2011, 02:44:59 AM »

can you link to articles that support these assertions?

Just to add to what Ale said...

- I'm expected to believe some 20-something year old camel jockeys were able to hijack a plane, subdue 100+ people with box cutters, navigate the NY Skyline perfectly and hit a pinpoint target not once but twice with less then ten hours in a Cessna? Also hitting the Pentagon was an absolute aeronautic feat of a master pilot.


they didn't have to perform a take off or a landing. just point it.  as for the Pentagon hit, there are posts on this forum that feature video and computer models that counter your assertion


- Larry Silversteen taking out insurance on the WTC buildings right before the attacks. The owner of the WTCs made an absolute killing off the insurance money


i'm sure ... like anyone ... he has to re up on his policies occasionally.  can you link to some articles?


- The irregularities on Wall Street during this time frame


wall street is always irregular.  otherwise we'd all be rich


- The corporationization of our culture which is directly linked to the "war on terror"


can you be more specific?  our culture has been becoming increasingly corporatized for about 100 years


- The way we've fought the "War on Terror" has been an absolute sham. All we've really accomplished in Afghanistan is for the world's opium/heroin trade to flourish after being threatened by the Taliban's religious ideology. And we attacked Iraq for absolutely no tangible reason. Our response to 9/11 has been a convoluted mess of corruption.


you can thank Don Rumsfeld for this.  he's an idiot

- A neo-con think tank featuring several members of Bush's inner circle called Project for the New American Century outlined every thing that happened in the months leading up to Bush's election. Including a "Pearl Harbor like event to galvanize American support"


no clue what you're talking about here.  please provide supporting links

There's several more but those are the ones off the top of my head. I really don't like to get into discussions on 9/11 because most people are closed minded and emotional about it. However these are my thoughts. I don't know what really happened but there's way too many questions for me to buy anything about the official story. Especially with how 9/11 has been used to push modern America into a bizarro land unrecognizable from the version we knew on 9/10/01.


i used to think some of the "Truther" theories were credible.  but now i'm more inclined to think 9/11 was a confluence of bad luck, bad planning, and a poor choice for president


Also Art's close-mindedness on this subject is disturbing but I guess I understand. The thing that really irritates me is when he has security or civil rights experts on who express concern about the government's encroachment on our rights and how Art will automatically go against them hard no matter what.


i don't think our government agencies / agents have the capacity to pull off something like this without leaving some really obvious pieces of evidence




GuerrillaUnReal

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2011, 04:14:34 AM »
can you link to articles that support these assertions?


they didn't have to perform a take off or a landing. just point it.  as for the Pentagon hit, there are posts on this forum that feature video and computer models that counter your assertion

I didn't say it was impossible, I'm saying I find it to believe a bunch of guys with no experience except flying a Cessna for a few hours were able to make three pin-point strikes in a row. Here's just one of the sites that has sprung up to talk about this element of the attacks.

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

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i'm sure ... like anyone ... he has to re up on his policies occasionally.  can you link to some articles?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein#Insurance_dispute

And if you google around you can find more info on this aspect.


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wall street is always irregular.  otherwise we'd all be rich

True enough, I certainly think the vast majority of high level corruption originates on Wall Street. However there were strong irregularities that day just before the attacks in most of our high level financial institutions. It could be just a coincidence but it was another thing that made me go  :o

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can you be more specific?  our culture has been becoming increasingly corporatized for about 100 years

In terms of the outright collusion of certain government contractors and the Bush Administration. The frightening rise of companies like Halliburton and they're protection by the government from seemingly any oversight. Also how the military industrial complex capitialized on the panic of the time to evolve itself into several public sectors our of fear of the terrorists.


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you can thank Don Rumsfeld for this.  he's an idiot

Completely agree, however we're fighting wars with literally no objectives and no enemies. I mean can the government really fail this miserably? I find it hard to believe there weren't several other motives.

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no clue what you're talking about here.  please provide supporting links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

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i used to think some of the "Truther" theories were credible.  but now i'm more inclined to think 9/11 was a confluence of bad luck, bad planning, and a poor choice for president

I'm not sure what to think of 9/11 but I've felt strongly from 9/12/01 that the official story was crap.



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i don't think our government agencies / agents have the capacity to pull off something like this without leaving some really obvious pieces of evidence

Yeah I'm not sure what to think about this.


James G.

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2011, 04:20:09 AM »
Just to add to what Ale said...

- I'm expected to believe some 20-something year old camel jockeys were able to hijack a plane, subdue 100+ people with box cutters, navigate the NY Skyline perfectly and hit a pinpoint target not once but twice with less then ten hours in a Cessna? Also hitting the Pentagon was an absolute aeronautic feat of a master pilot.


And, sir, I'm expected to believe that you've never been on numerous flights like that as I once did?

Buddy Boy, that's exactly what happened. As far as "perfect accuracy," I can assure you it wasn't. Both flights almost missed their targets. I cannot waste my time describing what happened, because it makes too much sense.

I've been on many of those flights. Never before had anyone not needed the flight crew. Under airline policy, they were to go along with what was going on. So don't tell me about "overpowering" people with box cutters. People on the first three flights didn't resist because they either didn't know what was going on, or were lied to over the public-address system by the hijackers ("we are going back to airport").

Have you ever rode coach -- as poor people like me did -- on American or United? Back there, you have no idea what's going on up front. Please get that straight.

I hear many fools say our government did it. Baloney. I lived in South Russia years ago. And the common people told me something: These Al-Qaeda F*cks needed to be stopped. Before they harm the USA. Which they did.

I respect your views, however. But, I have lived and I know better. Sure, blame the U.S. Government if you want. But I never will.

Understand that losers like Alex Jones get fame and fortune for pitching their nonsense. And such get ratings, and get followers. And, to those supposed patriots, that's all that matters.

Basically, the U.S. Government can't find its own butt with both hands. Yet, we're to be convinced they carried out an overwhelming complex conspiracy -- and it went off without a hitch? And involved thousands of people? Get real.

What happened that day happened. I get tired. Enough of the conspiracy nuts. Get out in the world as I have, and maybe such will see the light.

GuerrillaUnReal

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2011, 04:24:48 AM »
See this is where it gets emotional and virtually every 9/11 conversation breaks down.


b_dubb

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 05:46:03 AM »
James I think you were a tad harsh in your tone but generally I'm right there with you regarding your position.  The conspiracy theories are far too complicated to be believed.  I feel like someone needs to post links to the videos regarding the plane that hit the pentagon and the computer simulation that explains the evidence at the pentagon crash site


James G.

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 07:54:53 AM »
James I think you were a tad harsh in your tone but generally I'm right there with you regarding your position. 

Thanks for your reply. Like I said, I've been on a lot of those flights. I'm not being harsh, but real. Those rotten Al Qaeda hijackers were more than being "harsh,' "blunt" or whatever when it came to taking those craft -- and what they did to people.

Life can be harsh, all. And blunt.

Michael Vandeven

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 11:05:45 AM »

Barbarians in caves didn't make NORAD stand down for the first time in it's 50 year history 4 times on one day. 

They didn't change the laws of physics so that buildings fell at the speed of gravity following the path of MOST resistance. 

They didn't convince 6 out of the 10 NIST report commissioners to announce that the government had coerced them into excluding things like WTC7 from their consideration and that they had been "bullied". 

They didn't make the U.S. spend a third of the money on the investigation into the most horrible crime scene in our nation's history than we spent trying to find out if Slick Willy fooled around with some intern.
i see you people incessantly repeating things of this nature, but you don't provide evidence to prove or even substantiate your claims.  rather, you speak in talking points like a chatty cathy doll.

Vintage Chatty Cathy toy doll TV Commercial 1960's



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It's especially hurtful to those of us who lost someone close in those attacks...
lots of people lost someone in the 911 attacks.  you're not special in that regard.  also, i'd be willing to wager most of them don't think the way you do on this subject.  furthermore, i've grown fatigued of people mentioning the death of a friend or family member in 911 discussions as if it bolsters their credibility or shields them from criticism.  i'm here to tell you it does neither.

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I registered here because I just had to comment, after a long train of comments on that show that just got me so down, I really started contemplating not listening to any show anymore if Art is on it.
you talk about potentially being dismissed as a nut and you criticize art for his supposedly closed mind, but here you are considering dismissing art ENTIRELY because he doesn't see your world view on this one... specific... controversial... topic.  this is the HEIGHT of closed-mindedness.  you're an all-or-nothing kind of guy/gal, eh?


i hate arguing with 911 "truthers" becuase you have so few answers to MY questions, and you refuse to listen to any evidence that fails to fit your preconceived jigsaw puzzle of purported facts.  it's just a shame the word "truther" has been applied to your belief system, because as i see it, you are peddling anything BUT the truth.


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You can dissmiss me as a nut or some heathen if you wish, but there are a LOT of folks out here that feel as I do...
there are also a lot of folks out there who believe in female circumcision.


you might feel wounded, persecuted, or just downright scolded as a result of my response to you here, but you need to remember that when you go into ANY message board and post the 911 pap you posted here, there is going to be some blow back.


i'm getting tired of posting these fucking videos for you people.  however, the repetition is probably necessary due to the fact that none of you watch them:
911 Case Study: Pentagon Flight 77

LiveLeak.com - Eye Witness to Pentagon Attack Speaks Out.





and now, watch the stupidity of typical 911 truthers IN ACTION:


9/11 Truth Protestors get PWNED by Opie & Anthony Part 1

9/11 Truth Protestors get PWNED by Opie & Anthony Part 2

9/11 Truth Protestors get PWNED by Opie & Anthony Part 3



onan

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2011, 11:58:03 AM »
Thanks MV your posting of those videos actually cleared up a question that I have had for some time.

9/11 nine and 1/4 years ago and this is the debate of the issue. I am more befuddled that there are still no buildings replacing the towers. If that doesn't paint a pretty clear picture of what we have become in this country I do not know what would.

Michael Vandeven

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2011, 12:32:58 PM »
I am more befuddled that there are still no buildings replacing the towers. If that doesn't paint a pretty clear picture of what we have become in this country I do not know what would.
you said it, brother.

Silent

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2011, 12:54:16 PM »
I am more befuddled that there are still no buildings replacing the towers.

There is a new one being built.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_World_Trade_Center

http://www.panynj.gov/wtcprogress/index.html

It's actually pretty far along.  I'd like to see the insurance price tag on this thing.

Silent

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2011, 01:12:28 PM »
- Larry Silversteen taking out insurance on the WTC buildings right before the attacks. The owner of the WTCs made an absolute killing off the insurance money


The OP mentioned this early on in his post and that's where I stopped reading.  The idea of that is just insane.  Think of how stupid it would be to take out a life insurance policy on your wife and then off'ing her the next weekend.  Then multiply that stupidity by a million.  No one who seriously wanted to commit to a conspiracy on this level would throw up a red flag so obvious.  One could assume prior to the act that this would result in an investigation the likes of which this country has never seen.  I suppose after the fact this is debatable but prior to it? 

MV put my thoughts into much better words than I could do. 

Evil Twin Of Zen

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Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2011, 12:57:11 AM »
- Larry Silversteen taking out insurance on the WTC buildings right before the attacks. The owner of the WTCs made an absolute killing off the insurance money


The OP mentioned this early on in his post and that's where I stopped reading.  The idea of that is just insane.  Think of how stupid it would be to take out a life insurance policy on your wife and then off'ing her the next weekend.  Then multiply that stupidity by a million.  No one who seriously wanted to commit to a conspiracy on this level would throw up a red flag so obvious.  One could assume prior to the act that this would result in an investigation the likes of which this country has never seen.  I suppose after the fact this is debatable but prior to it? 

MV put my thoughts into much better words than I could do.

Not to mention that the several buildings had just been purchased in July of the same year. Of course they were insured.
I too am delighted that MV reposted. I guess what i had to say is now lost on the Radio Trainwreck site since it's change. Shame, since I had a great fact sheet on WTC 7 with links showing the extensive damage to the building. No biggie since MV supplied all that was needed. Well done.  8)
 
PS i know i wasn't going to reply to this 911 dreckitude again. sorry, consider it a fault.  8)

Re: HOW 9/11 WAS DONE
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2011, 03:47:08 PM »
And, sir, I'm expected to believe that you've never been on numerous flights like that as I once did?

Buddy Boy, that's exactly what happened. As far as "perfect accuracy," I can assure you it wasn't. Both flights almost missed their targets.

What are you saying here?  You have been on multiple flights that were hijacked by Al Qaeda attackers, so you can imagine how it went down?  What possible life experience could you have that would bring any bearing on this?